Conscious Contracts: a Relational Approach to Legal Documents

Jose Leal:

Hello and welcome to rHatchery Live. My name is Jose Leal, and I'm with my partner Matt Perez. And today our guest is Fernanda Guerra, all the way from Brazil. Welcome, Fernanda. We've got a beautiful conversation ahead of us. Thank you for joining us.

Fernanda Guerra:

No, thank you. You, I'm very, very happy to join you and Matt.

Jose Leal:

So just, I'm going to give you a ten-second introduction. We met, three, or four years ago, originally through the Kim Wright group, and learned about the work you've been doing, you've been helping us with Radical in Brazil. But we want to talk specifically about conscious contracts today, which is figuring out how that matches with the work that we've been doing. So, tell us a little bit about yourself. Tell us a little bit about the work you've been doing with the law movements. And how that connects to Radical. Let’s dig into that a little bit more.

Fernanda Guerra:

Perfect. Thank you for this invitation. You know that I'm very happy and so this kind of movement that you are, part, part that you and Matt. It's something that really I feel my heart warmer because of this movement, like Radical. And so, you begin our conversation and say that you and Matt meet Kim, and that's the reason that we are together now because Kim told me I need to, you need to talk with Jose about a conscious contract and the work that you've been doing. So, I met Kim five years ago here in Brazil. And this is transformed my life and my practice. So, I work at, as a traditional lawyer for 18 years. And then I saw, I realized myself completely sick. And I think it's something about my private life, something that happened outside me. And so, in that time, I can realize that my life is based on force, is based on everything that is outside me. So, everything that I did, it's because someone expects me to do my behavior as a lawyer. The things that I bought are the way that I live my life. And so that's the reason that I was sick. And so, when I realized that I really can, can be [INAUDIBLE] if I continue to live my life in this way I decide to know about myself a little bit more and see, and doing this self-knowledge movement during some times, but always I think lot stuff. My, practice as a lawyer can fit with this movement that I am doing inside of me. And so, when I met Kim everything changed because I realize all the movements that I did in my, private life, I can put everything together. That's, I want, to start our conversation talking about Kim, because it was a turning point in my life when I met her here in Rio. And when she said conscious contract, and I saw, and I hear this word towards, in separate way contract. And I feel, wow, the law that is inside me understands this. And the other part of me heard the word conscious. Conscious. And so, when she said that she works with these two things together, I'm completely following love with that. And so, since then I decided to transform, my practice. And that's the reason that I recognize myself as a regenerate attorney. Because I realize that all the time when we are working with a lawyer, someone with deep whether this pain comes to me to try to cure something because people don't have legal problems, people have human problems. And when I realized that everything has changed. So, I don't want, I don't pretend as that to say to my, my client that I can save him, that I can do something that assumes responsibility for, for them. But I can put my technique myself and the hallway with him to try, to find a solution, find a way to do something better for their life using or not a legal system.

Jose Leal:

You know what, I'm listening to you, and I'm taken back to three years ago when we first met, and we first had the conversation around three years. And I remember our us talking one-on-one and you saying, can we speak Portuguese because I don't speak English? And here you are speaking English perfectly. And you know, it warms my heart to, to see you do this so well. So, thank you for the courage and for continuing to do that because it's been wonderful to see you and your trust in yourself and in your abilities growing, because it's nice to see.

Fernanda Guerra:

Alright. Thank you, Jose. It's that's it because talking about that something that I really it's a way to put myself where I want to be, but it's a big challenge always. But that's it. Sorry, there is something here. What a minute,

Jose Leal:

No problem.

Fernanda Guerra:

Sorry. there is something that someone talking in a loud voice here. Sorry. Sorry. And so, thank you for the compliment, but I am really still ashamed, but I can't stop. So that's the reason that I put myself in this way to talk in English and say, try to express myself.

Jose Leal:

You express yourself perfectly.

Matt Perez:

So pretty well. Yeah. I, I have a question. So how well do your prospects, people that are not your clients, or let me put it this way, your prospects, and your clients, how well do they take the new Fernanda is like, they go, oh, that's, that's crazy. I'm out of here. Or do they trust you or do they, I mean, how does this happen? Does it work?

Fernanda Guerra:

It's a big, big, big challenge. Matt, because nowadays I have a course in Brazil's Bosch concert contract. And I, a lot of lawyers came to me and tried to change their practice. And when I am talking about that, they think everything is nice, it's cool. So, it's a challenge to me and a challenge to my clients too because we are not our school, all the legal systems don't give us a tool to deal with human beings’ problems. So as a traditional lawyer, someone tells me the problem, and I put their problems in a box, in a legal box. So, it's easy. I need just to know the law. But when you need to put yourself in the service of the people I don't know what's happened. Because when I hear someone, I really put myself in an entirely, entirely way to try to help them. And some, most of the time, the legal techniques don't help them. So, the client expects it to be a traditional posture. And so sometimes the clients feel very uncomfortable with my approach because to treat their human problems, I need them completely present here with me. Yes. I need them responsible, protagonists. And so, and the kind of things that the clients don't expect when they come to a law firm, they want to tell the problem and expect that I am leaving my, that I am my behavior, behavior is like the father or mother. So, your mother here, now, you, you take care of your problem. Right? And the approach that I use, I want them as an adult, as responsible for their behavior than their attitudes. So, it's a big challenge. And I think in when I saw my practice nowadays, I think it's kind of education for me and for my clients, all the things about education and try to change the paradigm in a huge way. Yeah. Not in my, my relationship with my client, but my behavior as a human being.

Matt Perez:

So, so is it the case that you've had some people that got it right away and got into it and can be adults and your partner in doing this? And at the other stream, you have people that say, Nope, nope. That's not me. I'm going to go to a real lawyer. You're not a real lawyer.

Fernanda Guerra:

Yeah. Yeah. And, and so, and sometimes of course everybody that came to my office, they have some kind of pain because they have a relationship that not working. I work in my office is a specialty in partnerships. So, most of that clients have some experience that was not good. So, they decide to hire me because they want a new approach, but they don't know about conscious contracts. They don't know when I am building a contract I need them all the time with me. It's a process. And so, they are with me in the table, and we are, we draw the, the contract together because the legal part, the legal part exists, but it's, I put this in the finish and every legal detail we are discussing together, we need that to support this relationship, or we don't need that. So why this? I need this, this cloud here. It's important, but not as important. So, it's a contract that you can see yourself, you, you can see your organization in. But for doing that, I need to know, you know, your relationship. So, for that, I need a day with me all the time. We need to build up a real process. I can say that it's a huge workshop with the client and at the end of this workshop, we have a contract, and sometimes we don't have, because I have more than two, three experiences, that at the end of the process, the clients decide not to continue the, the relationship.

Matt Perez:

So, what's, what's the percentage of the people that say no and the people that say okay, I'll trust you? What's the percentage?

Fernanda Guerra:

So, the first time that happened, I remember that I call it in a hurry for Kim and Linda Alvarez because I'm feel, wow, what I'm doing. Someone hired me to build a contract, a partnership, and then they decided the end of the process not being together, not building a firm anymore, an organization anymore. So, I'm a witch of, the coach, the contract. So, I feel very uncomfortable because again it's a new way, to work, to meet you. So, I need to make up my mind and realize that's not about to have a piece of paper at the end of the process. I'm working on that relationship. And what is the best if, at the end of the process that is no alignment enough to support that partnership, it's better not to do that.

Jose Leal:

Because to not create something that isn't going to work.

Fernanda Guerra:

Yeah. Because, you know, most of the organization is broken. It's not because of economic stuff, it's about the relationship. So, we need to, in this approach to conscious contract is about to really go deep in the relationship and then use the legal system to do, to do this, to do the support of that. Because we live in a society that was supportive of the legal stuff. So, we have a rule for everything. So okay, let's deal with that. But let's deal with that with the conscious. So, the conscious is to build a real relationship. I need to know about Jose. Jose needs to know about me because when you met someone and want to build something you are in love with that person. It's a kind of illusion because we never do business with the enemy. We do business with a friend, with your parents, with someone in your family. So, most of the business, it's about the relationship that is near you. So doing this unconsciously, just thinking about legal things, it's something very dangerous. And that's the reason that our society is so in this ceremony because you don't want to go in deep inside of us and brace our human beings because I'm a very nice person but asking for my assistance if I'm nice all the time I'm not. Today I'm a little bit nervous because of our meeting here and I need to speak in English. So, I'm not a good person this morning with her. So that's it. Let's see me as I am, I'm nice, but I can't be an evil person. So conscious contract is about that, to realize that we can't be everything good or bad. There are no good people and bad people. They, that there is no division.

Matt Perez:

You can be an asshole, but you're not a nice person.

Fernanda Guerra:

That's that. Yeah. That, that

Matt Perez:

He said he said that to me. Yeah. But it's true, it's true. I, I can oftentimes be an asshole because that's, that's what made me successful. That's, that is my life is being an asshole and being the dominant. I'm, I'm bigger than you are, and therefore, yada yada yada. But I'm not a bad person, you know, I, I treat my kids nice and, and, and stuff like that.

Jose Leal:

Yeah, and you treat your friends nice, and you treat your family nice, but, but when we are in a situation that triggers the old behaviors, we behave the old way.

Fernanda Guerra:

That's, and so that's it, it's a process. And that, and now we get in touch with radical purpose. And that's the reason that I met Jose three years ago because to know about that know how things can put me in a precarious way, it's a very powerful tool for building a sustainable relationship. And so when I think and, and radical purples and all the things that we see together and put this and I, using the, the profile of radical purpose with my clients, because it's powerful self-knowledge to, to realize that it is needed inside of us needs that if I know about these needs, I can take care of myself and communicate in other, per the people that living with me, that married with me, that I have a partnership the way I am. And what is not good, not art is my lax what is my force? And so, it's important to know about that, because this can build a sustainable relationship, I really trust that. And so, when I think about contracts, I think we contract all the time with everything. E even when I think when I wake up, it's a kind of contract with myself. I go to my office, I go to the gym I use that, doing that. It's a kind of deal that I need to do all the time. And so, I need to know myself to do a conscious deal with myself. So, let's do that with another person, without a relationship, we, you need to, to that we have, so.

Matt Perez:

This is the thing I don't understand is that the conscious part is about, like you said, knowing the person or yourself, knowing your relationships are very important and all that. The contract part is the box. You put all the rules and stuff like that and say, I've always told people, not always, but for long-time rules are meant to be broken, to be done first and then bend all the way to breaking. And it's fine. It's fine. But not in a contract. In a contract, if I don't pay you enough if you don't pay me enough, if I take your share, if I take my chair, it is very specific. And so how do you, how do you combine those two?

Fernanda Guerra:

Yeah. And, and that's, I think the, the magic of the conscious conference is, okay, at the end of this process, we are building a, a map a row, actually the contract within the conscious contract process is a map of the relationship and the end of this process, we building to together how we deal with the conflict. Because the conflict is something that happens all the time. It's part of adult life. I don't know why, but it's the way on this planet adults grow up in the crisis, in the conflict. So, knowing each other and how we want to deal when the conflict appears. So, we are working with the reality that conflict is part of the relationship all the time. So, when I feel somehow when you feel somehow when we when you need to talk difficult things like I want to give up the, our business. I want to move to another country, or I don't want this anymore. How I can say that, how we can deal with that without breaking, without being enemies, without going to the court to judge said to us that I need to pay you a lot of money for that because I feel hurt. So, I want to recompensate myself with money. And I can say here that we don't use it in the conscious contract money and clause that we can use the money to deal with things. We can do that. But when we start this process, we know that we are going to use that and why we decide to use that, it's important for the relationship. Okay. It works for you. Okay? Because again, as a lawyer, I don't put my, I don't want to do contracts that are like me, Fernanda Guerra, It's not about myself, it's about them. And sometimes I saw that contract and I think I want them to go deeper and maybe not use that, but it's not about me. I can't use my force to build a contract in a way that that's, that, that people can deal with that. So, and that, in, in thinking about your first question, to me, again, it's very difficult. It's an, it's another challenge because if I don't pay attention to myself, I [INAUDIBLE] all the relationships that came to me to use the tools that just fit on me. And then it's not about that. Right.

Jose Leal:

There are a couple of things we're going to run out of time a little in a little bit here. And I, I wanted to get, get what you just said a little bit clearer in my mind. It sounds like you said it's about the relationships and of course, we need to deal with the numbers, but the numbers are used to describe what is going to happen, not as a way to use force on each other, that the relationship is what we use to decide how we're going to work with one another to decide how we're going to organize our ourselves. The numbers are an incident of that relationship, not the reason for the relationship is that true?

Fernanda Guerra:

Yes, completely true. And another thing that maybe it's not clear. So, it's very common when you talk about relationships, even we deal with the contract, marriage, contract, Noel contract. The people love to use a kind of I don't know, there's an English, sorry…

Jose Leal:

Okay. okay. Punitive clauses.

Fernanda Guerra:

Punitive clauses in using money to punish people. That's it. We can use that if it's something that talks about that relationship. And of course, as a lawyer, I talk very carefully about that and try to raise consciousness about that. But if that relationship wants to use that, okay. Because as I told, I, I'm not here to colonize my clients to say that it’s not a good thing. Of course, for me, Fernanda, I can use this because not somewhat worth it to me. I don't want to use that in my partnership with my colleagues in my law firm. I don't use that in my relationship with my husband. But it's about me, Fernanda. And sometimes I use that because it's another question that I heard a lot. Ah, so because it's a conscious contract, we don't use punishment, you don't who using this kind of clause, I can use all kinds of clauses, but the people that involved in this partnership need to know why to use that. And if it's worth it, it's this way that you want to be engaging in, in your relationship aligns in your relationship using punishment. If they think it's, it is okay, but I need to ask if it's worth it for them.

Matt Perez:

So, how do they find out?

Fernanda Guerra:

Sometimes they look at me like she's a strange lawyer. And why I  [INAUDIBLE] hard, I am with, with this woman because it's, it's tough to know about to know yourself. It's a process that sometimes the client is uncomfortable with. It's not easy, but it's about, life is not easy. Nobody said that. It is easy, and it's kind of tough that you to choose. I prefer something tough that put my way. I can put my way in an authentic, authentic way.

Matt Perez:

How does the client find out that if it comes to a breakup of some sort, I'm going to use money as a way to punish that person and think about it? Money is, money is forced, money is, is forced in a nice coin like that, right? So, when I demand money from you in order to break the relationship, what I'm doing is taking power away from you. I'm taking the power away and leaving you with less power, but the relationship, you know, so that, that's the tradeoff. You keep, the firm, but I, I get your power, you know? Like Samsung and the hair. I shouldn't talk about hair, but anyways. And so, so in this, in this situation, a kind of thing how do, how do I find out that, that if it comes to that extreme, but I'm going to punish my life by taking that power away from her, and she can keep the kids or, or the house, how, how do I find out?

Fernanda Guerra:

So that's the point. Money and sex in the relationship using too, are in the <inaudible> of the relationship. Sure. And in this process, we are going, to know about what is inside of that, why I need to use money, what is hurt inside of me that I, I want to use money to compensate something that happened. So that's the point. It's not about money because money, it's a force, but money is a paper. It's metal. I don't care about that. I need to know what money to you and what value you put into money. That's the that is the point. That is the reason that taking care of the relationship at the beginning of building a conscious contract is important because I will know what your value as a person is. What is your purpose as a person? And so, in this way, I want, I will know what money for you is. So, and I know for you, money is a very, very high value. And maybe you are going to use that to punish me somehow. And you needed to discuss this. And that's the thing that I, that I really love doing because I never know, know what is happened during this process because I and I don't know what is important to you. And sometimes I'm completely in it's like a big surprise all the time. But again, I'm not judging my clients and their values, but I know I, want that they know about their values and why they do that because they do that because there is a value to support that. And I want that day that he said for, his partnership that I know they know to each other not from the strategies that they use in real life, but the values that they want to take care of one day using money, or not using money because I'm not using money because I want to take care of values, myself values, that's the point. Not because I'm a cute person and because I don't like money, but using money to punish the people that have a relationship with me hurt me more than use and hurt me because I really, want a deep relationship all the time. I want to be I want to partnership that I feel comfortable. I like <inaudible>. So, money is not something that talks with me, that's the reason that I never use money to punish my relationship. And so, it's not about money again. It's about the values that I have.

Jose Leal:

Yes. Fernanda, Fernanda, I have a, I think maybe the last question here. When we talk about Radical, we talk a lot about the fiat system and force inside that system, and you've talked a lot about force already as well. Have we in, in this conversation? But I want to, how much you talk to your clients and, just in your, in your worldview now, how much do you introduce the idea of force and how much do you talk about the fiat system as a part of their conscious awareness of where they're coming from and why they're doing the things they're doing? Is that something that you discussed?

Fernanda Guerra:

Yeah. Yeah. Because in my first meeting with that, then I need to say that we are going through another mindset to see things, because you don't do, you don't want to do anything. You can do whatever you want, but, and all the things that you think about the relationship the things that you need to do because there is a law that forces you to do nothing. This how, so we can, we have a, a lot of liberty to freedom, sorry, a lot of freedom to contract. And we can do a lot of things. So let's first time for first know about that relationship, know about what you want, your values, or your purpose, and then if something that you want is not allowed by the law, I will say so, but I really want to introduce them in a space, in a safe space that they can do even that, that they can say everything and building everything. And then the last I used to say, oh, here, you can do that. We, maybe need to change a little bit this way because in real life, in the life that we choose, here, we have these and these rules. But never in verse, because when I saw most of the contracts, they try to put relationships in a box of the law. And re and the conscious contract is in a verse. The law needs to fit this relationship because a relationship is phenomenological stuff.

Matt Perez:

There's, there's a comment here from Jennifer Johnson, and she, she puts it pretty well. She says, you want your clients to identify their values and that, they are present and then invisible. So, you make, you make their values visible and say, yeah, yeah, I want to punish, I want to punish this person if she sleeps with somebody else or something. And that's what drives the process, not the other way around. So, yeah. So that's a good comment. And another comment here that I don't know how to quit, to interpret says, building contracts that support relationships is necessary right now. And it's not contracts that support relationships. It's contracts that reflect relationships, and the values of the people involved, right?

Fernanda Guerra:

Yeah. That's it. That's the relationships, support everything. And then contracting somehow when we think the relationship if they the conscious contract, it's a way to support, because I can see the, the, the, the contract as a map route. How our how is our map road, roadmap. That's it, It's, it's this contract's alive. And when the clients build, the cautious con with me, they can change some clauses and not and it's another thing that I like a lot because they do that, they can recognize themselves in that, so they can change some things. That's not because of a contract that I did with three years ago, it does not represent us anymore three years later. So, in some stuff, we can change the clauses, and we can change access to this part of a relationship. We can change a lot of things. And that's the, the, the magic of this, this kind of contract. I can recognize myself, and our relationship, and we can change some things inside.

Matt Perez:

How can we make that part the mainstream part of the contracts? I mean, most, I took the course with Kim a while back, and I realized that it was a relationship-based kind of thing, and then the law comes later to support it. And that's probably what this building contracts and support relationships mean. And but how, so when I tried to move it into our corporate contracts. The guy listened to me, and he was very nice. He said, Uhhuh, uhhuh, uhhuh. Like that was, that he didn't, he didn't understand the word that I was saying. It was interesting. The thing was, we have to protect ourselves. He had, you said something before it's not a wall that we're building. It's a bridge. He, he wasn't interested. Mo most lawyers are not interested in building a bridge. Yeah. They're building a specific wall and specific box. And if you don't fit in there, it's something wrong with you.

Fernanda Guerra:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's because it's a, it's a challenge. It's a, it's about changing. And it's not easy. And I heard this a lot. A lot of lawyers said to me that, that it's something that can work and is okay, but I leave this every day. It's work. I think it's the future because this way that the traditional way it's not good if it's good. We live in a peaceful place, and earth is everything, but a peaceful, peaceful place is not. So just looking at your window and you say that the tools that you, we use are not worth it, and it does not support us anymore. So, we need to find something new and take care of ourselves, our relationships. This is because the quality of our life is based on our relationship, not on the amount of money we have in the bank. Yes. so, it's not something that I say it's true. You can see in life, [INAUDIBLE] can feel that. So, for me, a relationship is the most things, the most important thing that I have in my life. So that's the reason that I'm working with that in this way because I can't, I can work in another way because it's hurt me a lot. It's about, again, it's about me too. I do that because I think this is my medicine, medicine to me, and it's known I decide to put in a word.

Matt Perez:

So why you and why not the other lawyers that want to tell you? Yeah, it's nice, but no, I don't want to, what's the difference?

Fernanda Guerra:

I, yeah, I respect, I respect because it's not easy to move yourself. Right. It's not easy to see yourself in a mirror. That's the point. It's not good when I do that. It's not good.

Matt Perez:

So, is that, is that what you did? You saw yourself in the mirror, and when it hurts you, I, you said something that hurts me, the part that you recognize but what happened to you? What did you fall in your head, or what happened to you?

Fernanda Guerra:

Oh, I, we, we need another, another podcast talking about that, because now it's, it's good to hear that it's, it's fine, something nice, but it's not so I take a lot of medicine. I see myself in a way that I really I'm around 15, 15 years old. So, I don't know if I'm here if I continue in that way. Mm. That's the point. So, it's me, I don't change my life because I feel happy. It's something that's so painful that I need to do that to protect my life itself. That's the point.

Jose Leal:

I don't know if this is true for you, Fernanda, but for me, I don't feel that I changed my life. I feel that my life changed me.

Fernanda Guerra:

That's it. Yes. If that's it. Yeah. My life forced me to change. And I really believe that this my life put me in some point to that. This is the turning point that I say, wow if I'm not changed, something very bad happens. So that's it.

Jose Leal:

I can see Carlos trying to quote me, but all I'm getting is a quote, thank you, Carlos. But there is, there is a quote that happened yesterday in another meeting, which I found very interesting. We were talking about moving toward relationships, right? And moving away from the fiat system, moving away from the law being the problem, this being the problem. You know, all of those kinds of things were always, the problems are always external and moving towards relationships. And someone said it's about healing. And I think that the movement towards what you've described today, the movement towards conscious relationships, contracts to, but really it's the relationships first. Yeah. A contract is just a secondary piece that is healing. And I think for me, the reason I do it is because it's healing. And I think that the more people like you that I talk to, the more I find out that what they're trying to do is not fix things. They're trying to heal themselves. And in the process, they help fix things.

Fernanda Guerra:

It is completely true. Jose, you resume everything that we are talking about here, it's about healing. It's about our healing. And not try to fix anything because who am I to fix something? But that's, that's the point. I think it, it is. And that's the reason that law contract, it's a completely secondary thing, because it's something that, it's outside and outside. It's, it's not something that, it's a big, big play actually. So, it's law, but can be medicine, can be math, can be chemical. It doesn't matter. This technique that I have that I, but it's because everything is, is about relationships. Something inside is about healing myself. And when I start to heal myself, it's some images happen because your healing, starting another healing that it's more than you it's, it's another vibration that you have that healing another person, that touching other people to start their healings. So, it's a snowball. It's a snowball. And so here, I'm, I want to say healing to myself and then putting these seeds in other people Yes. To start their healing process, not my healing process, not follow my healing process. Following your healing process.

Matt Perez:

Their healing processes. Yes, one thing that gives me hope is that I read in the Washington Post, I think yesterday that people are no longer defining professional growth as more money or promotions or anything like that. It says, instead clients come to them seeking more different things, autonomy, passion, and a sense of purpose. They want to go to bed at night feeling that they've made a difference. And so, it's like often tell, I said maybe too much is that the change is going to happen whether we like it or not. But what we're trying to do is accelerate a little bit, you know, give us some, some foundation and stuff so that it doesn't go all over the place. But we don't know what's coming. We have no idea what's going but the change's going to happen is just let's direct a little bit. So, I think what you're doing is fantastic and I think you feel you're, that's over.

Fernanda Guerra:

Thank you, guys. Thank you.

Jose Leal:

It's been an absolute pleasure. It always is. Oh, and thank you so much for joining us. The work you're doing the work that your community and the law space are doing without you guys, I don't think a lot of the changes that need to happen will happen. Yes. And so, you guys are instrumental, in driving change in the way that all of us need to be able to do. So, thank you to you and to your colleagues within the law space and the work that you guys are doing to change the law and also to change people's view of the world.

Fernanda Guerra:

Thank you, Jose. That's it. The last stuff, stuff building everything that you need to change. So, we need to touch the lawyers because there is a lot of power involved in that.

Jose Leal:

Absolutely. Matt, do you want to introduce…?

Matt Perez:

So next week we're going to be talking to Jennifer Johnson, who was one of the people making comments here. And Jennifer's a very interesting person. We talked to her before and, I could do the conversation. She's the founder of Storymind Inc, and we know exactly what we're going to be talking about. We, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be really interesting. So, looking forward to that. And thank you, Fernanda, for your…for everything, for being here, for being part of this, and for delivering such good English in the past. No, I'm serious. I'm serious.